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Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:18 am
by Raildudes dad
The KB&E checked the minority owned company box.

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:31 am
by AARR
My Paper Railroad, Grand Rapids Southeastern (GRSE), is more interesting. :)

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:51 pm
by Raildudes dad
AARR wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:31 am
My Paper Railroad, Grand Rapids Southeastern (GRSE), is more interesting. :)
If your wife owns 51% of your RR, it can be a disadvantaged business enterprise :)

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:08 am
by AARR
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=37802
Raildudes dad wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:51 pm
AARR wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:31 am
My Paper Railroad, Grand Rapids Southeastern (GRSE), is more interesting. :)
If your wife owns 51% of your RR, it can be a disadvantaged business enterprise :)

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:51 pm
by NS3322
I just created a Railroadfan Wiki page for KBEC. Feel free to give it a look, I am more than happy to edit stuff!

I think I found all 11 customers KBE had, but I am not sure. I still have no idea where the Sand & Gravel Pit in Irving was...

https://railroadfan.com/wiki/index.php/ ... ng_Railway

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:38 am
by AARR
Well done NS3322!

I sometimes wonder if they meant the High Grade aggregate yard in Dutton rather than Irving
NS3322 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:51 pm
I think I found all 11 customers KBE had, but I am not sure. I still have no idea where the Sand & Gravel Pit in Irving was...

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:05 pm
by joeyuboats
I could be incorrect, but I thought that Ron Crowd was the first minority owner of a railroad in the U.S., with the Battenkill RR, in Washington County, New York, in 1982.

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:06 pm
by AARR
The Kent-Barry-Eaton Connecting Railway was a short line created to operate the former Conrail owned Michigan Central Grand Rapids branch, from Grand Rapids to Vermontville on July 15, 1979.
joeyuboats wrote:
Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:05 pm
I could be incorrect, but I thought that Ron Crowd was the first minority owner of a railroad in the U.S., with the Battenkill RR, in Washington County, New York, in 1982.

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 10:58 am
by ConductorBigShoe
Raildudes dad wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:18 am
The KB&E checked the minority owned company box.
Amazing what you can get away with, having that box checked.

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:55 am
by MQT1223
NS3322 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:51 pm
I just created a Railroadfan Wiki page for KBEC. Feel free to give it a look, I am more than happy to edit stuff!

I think I found all 11 customers KBE had, but I am not sure. I still have no idea where the Sand & Gravel Pit in Irving was...

https://railroadfan.com/wiki/index.php/ ... ng_Railway
I was unaware of the MIS Alco... what proof do you have on it? After the one Alco that was nicely painted and left to freeze I knew of the TSBY unit being used but nothing else following.

I still believe this railroad had it been managed right would've been profitable and would've remained today.

Did the elevator in Caledonia not ship by rail by this time? They were practically on top of the mainline.

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:43 pm
by NS3322
MQT1223 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:55 am
I was unaware of the MIS Alco... what proof do you have on it? After the one Alco that was nicely painted and left to freeze I knew of the TSBY unit being used but nothing else following.
What do you mean by proof? Click the links! It is all on the page...Ann Arbor 7 was ruined mechanically in about the same way as #6 (both were technically leased from the State/Michigan Interstate). They then leased the C&O NW2 and lastly the TSBY NW2. I also collected a lot of info from Facebook posts that I am unfortunately unable to directly reference. I really wish this railroad had been photographed and covered more but unfortunately we have to go by 40+ year old testimonies and stories with sources that differ.

Here is one of the only photos I could dig up with AA #7 in Dutton:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129767142@N06/17140655785
MQT1223 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:55 am
Did the elevator in Caledonia not ship by rail by this time? They were practically on top of the mainline.
It's on the list.

Re: KBE Connecting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:08 pm
by MQT1223
NS3322 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:43 pm
MQT1223 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:55 am
I was unaware of the MIS Alco... what proof do you have on it? After the one Alco that was nicely painted and left to freeze I knew of the TSBY unit being used but nothing else following.
What do you mean by proof? Click the links! It is all on the page...Ann Arbor 7 was ruined mechanically in about the same way as #6 (both were technically leased from the State/Michigan Interstate). They then leased the C&O NW2 and lastly the TSBY NW2. I also collected a lot of info from Facebook posts that I am unfortunately unable to directly reference. I really wish this railroad had been photographed and covered more but unfortunately we have to go by 40+ year old testimonies and stories with sources that differ.

Here is one of the only photos I could dig up with AA #7 in Dutton:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129767142@N06/17140655785
MQT1223 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:55 am
Did the elevator in Caledonia not ship by rail by this time? They were practically on top of the mainline.
It's on the list.
I looked at the page. I came back here after the fact. I must've overlooked the Caledonia customer, as I saw the ones in Dutton and Hastings.